Assuming it isn't a back stab, you always step back a bit. I know you said the pillars are useless against Smough, but on this attack they help if available. Forum Posts. Make them chase you. 12 comments. Super proud of myself, especially since Solaire's summon sign wouldn't appear and I had to do it solo. This tactic worked like a charm for me and it took me about 3 tries on my first playthrough and only one try on my second. I fully admit, the first several times I beat them I felt like I just got lucky. My biggest problem is I can't block their attacks because my shield doesn't have enough stability, but I don't want to needlessly put extra points into strength just for this one fight. By focus I mean literally don’t swing at the other one. Smough resists fire and is weak against lightning. When dealing with super smough, double roll if he does butt slam. (EDIT: don't hug the column, their attacks go through. Now try to stay behind one of the pillars. Now you are pretty much 1v1 with Ornstein, stay close to him with your shield up at all times. It sounds a little weird, but if you keep focusing on not attack but evading it makes it so much easier to see openings. An easy way of beating them is to summon Solair (Summon sign can be found to the left of the Fog Gate, up the first stairs.) If done successfully, you'll be in the O and S boss room, but the fight won't start. Get behind a pillar far away, perhaps use this opportunity to heal, then steel yourself and run forward again and repeat this process. Imma be honest, DS1 has the worst bosses in the series. the hammer will swing right over you. Dragon Slayer Ornstein and Executioner Smough are Bosses in Dark Souls. A lot of Ornsteins attacks are just stabs. Second time I was more aggressive and managed to kill Smough (who seemed easier), then Ornstein transformed and quickly killed me again. More opportunity to make mistakes. User Info: M_Cheezy. I ran up to them and hit them with my zweihander. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I tried summoning solaire but he just dies before even one guy is left. But their phat asses don't so they cant rush you through it). NOW RUN FOR YOUR LIFE. Usually, this is just after Smough has done an attack that leaves him vulnerable for a time, such as dropping his hammer straight downward or jumping up into the air. For super Ornstien, try to learn his close range and far range options and adapt to them. Maybe it's because I'm used to them just smearing me on the wall and floor. They will alternate attacks most of the time. Before doing anything else, ensure that your weapons, … There's literally nothing that will stop you from winning if you have Solaire helping you. You can also use Iron Flesh if you have it. ONLY when Smough is between you and Ornstein do you attack Smough. If you are under him, but not behind, his backdash swipe will get you. You can Poison Ornstein and Smough so that you know f*ckton of poison arrows or poison mist and also toxic mist works too < > Showing 1-14 of 14 comments . Ornstein is the smaller of the two, and glides around the arena dealing fast lightning attacks with his spear. I tried going to the Duke’s Archives but got wrecked by those crystallized undead. The longest distance for them to cover in this fight is getting to the other side of a column. I need some help BAD. They don't even need to be too far apart from each other. Don't get me wrong I am not ruling out the use of pillars I am saying that I was hit a few times behind them but I often ran away from both and hid behind a pillar to heal, which is another thing you might find hard in havels. If you kill Smough first, Ornstein will become a giant. Run circles around the arena while keeping the camera on them. Press J to jump to the feed. So either pick smough or ornstein and make sure you stay out of the others way. A community dedicated to Dark Souls I, game released for PC, PlayStation 3 and 4, Xbox 360/One, and Switch (Remastered). Definitely agree. Patience is key, get a couple hits in then switch sides. They’re hard. Did the latter and the fight was disturbingly easy. Smoughs attack range is too unpredictable to make dodging reliable without loads of practice (I've died far too many times because he swung his hammer further than I thought he would). Apr 27, 2017 @ 7:26am Yee. And these guys are just unstoppable, by the time I'm dodging one attack i get stabbed, by the time i dodge the stab I get crushed. If successful, you should be able to outrun the lightning blast. If so, focus on fat boy. There's a bunch of different ways. After you defeated him, Smough will get super strong. Demon souls and DS3 had less overall bosses but they were alot more unique and fun to fight, DS2 didn't have many good bosses but at least there was a large amount of them, and BB had quantity and quality. This section of the Dark Souls Video Strategy Guide discusses how to defeat that lovely duo - Ornstein the Dragonslayer & Smough the Executioner. Out of 22 bosses, only 3 of them are really good (O&S, Gwyn, and Sif). u/The-Small-Cheese. When Smough reaches you, run to the other end again, and if Ornstein doesn't follow you quickly enough, wait for Smough to reach you, rinse and repeat until Ornstein falls. In that case, use a fire weapon or pyromancies. Took me 5-6 deaths to kill them. The reason why is because the second phase will still play out normally in this cheese, and the second phase boss will spawn in the same spot. Anyone know how to cheese this fight? You may consider changing up your equipment a little bit just for this fight to go lighter so you can dodge more easily, but fatrolling can often get the job done if you know what you're doing. Anticipate Ornstein's wind up for the charging attack and roll when he lunges forward. Ornstein is the faster one so you focus on ornstein but then smough comes up. He slams his hammer down directly in front of him: Roll to the side. Then my brother tell me that Ornstein and Smough were in that place, i got scared, because I had heard many things about it being unfair for being 1 against 2 and things like that.After all, the decisive moment arrived, the fight started and Ornstein (the thin one) died in 5 or 6 hits, Smough … Keep havel instead, and use a greatshield if you want to really tank every attack. User Info: carpish. For example, standing in an arena and doing nothing as you watch the boss fall off a ledge and die, due to your character's position. My strat was this: Always keep Smough between you and Ornstien. Locking onto Ornstein for the duration of the fight is an awful idea. O&S requires more situational awareness than most bosses in the game, and this is where you're going to have to build up that awareness. Solaire is a great help in that fight, since the bosses are pretty weak on their own. M_Cheezy 9 years ago #2. Wiki Points. For Smough use a lightning weapon (like the lightning spear you got in sens fortress). William See. Feel free to do either one though. So here it goes: Now you wanna be fast for this boss. Don't just watch the attack, watch the wind up for the attacks. With Smough you can keep behind him and roll through or out of range of most of his attacks, and with Ornstein (esp after he's huge), basically keeping under his crotch, rolling TOWARDS him for every attack, and switching off 2-hand to shield whenever he got ready to lightning butt slam. ... Like Gwyn, he’s incredibly fun to fight. If you're bad at this, get a shield with high lightning resistance, then switch to it and block the lightning. Personally when I beat the ol' Ornstein and Smough duo, I killed Ornstein first and waited for breaks in both of their combos. So you can just stand there and take him out (albiet a little slowly) with a bow. The strategy that was most effective for me, without using pyromancies (which are certainly very effective against Smough) was as follows (keep in mind that I killed Smough first, then got Ornstein, but this strategy should work either way): Upon entering the room, immediately lock onto Ornstein. Make your way over to Smough and circle him until he is between you and Ornstein. Not really a cheese as you still need to pay attention for both of their charges, but it was a fairly reliable strategy for me. It may take multiple rolls in phase two, so make sure you aren't fat rolling. Do not lock on. It's just one of those tough fights where the only way to do it is just to fucking do it. Dark Souls - Ornstein and Smough - Easy Kill How to beat Ornstein and Smough Smough is weak to lightning and resists fire. Ornstein and Smough Ornstein and Smough is one of the toughest boss fights in the entire game. If you aren't doing a cheese tactic, like the one I mentioned, Super Ornstein is much better. You’ll also have to whittle this one down, I haven't seen it on guide before but probably out there somewhere. This cannot be blocked. I despise this fight and I don't even care about fighting fair anymore. I've summoned solaire, i got quelaags fury sword for fire damage. I've been stuck on this for a couple of hours. Just be patient. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. My strategy was usually to keep them separated by baiting Ornstein to the opposite side of the room (ideally behind a pillar to delay Smough a bit longer) so that you're only fighting one boss at a time. Be prepared to DODGE all of Ornstein's lightning bolts. Lastly movement is everything, smough has very hard attacks which would warrant havels armour but then his attacks can be easily avoided with a roll. He was believed to be their captain. Edit: Alternatively, summon Solaire and just disregard literally everything I just said and beat the crap out of the O&S until they die. If you're trying to kill Ornstein first, just stay locked onto Ornstein, remain aware of where Smough is, and attack Ornstein whenever you're sure you aren't at threat of being attacked by Smough. It may help to use your black eye orb before this fight so you can claim your ring of favor and protection. I cannot give you any tips for dealing with Smough after Ornstein is killed, but the strategy for dealing with Ornstein after Smough is killed is actually fairly simple. Do you have a decent shield? Whenever you see him jump up into the air, you roll the fuck back as quickly as you can. Ornstein and Smough is easy if you kill Ornstein first but much harder if you kill Smough first. I locked onto ornstein but focused on hitting smough only when he was between me and ornstein. 0. You basically need to lure out the silver night from the opposite stairs of where you entered, run to the fog gate, then parry him at the fog gate. to make the first phase easier and use that to kill Ornstein. What I did was get a plus 3 fire katana (to make hitting super ornstein easier). Followers . Focus on ornstien then. Keep your shield up. O and S are still in there, but they just stand there. After killing the demon, the second one renews his life and takes his mate's skills. As I said though, always stay locked onto Ornstein, even when you're attacking Smough. Depending on your level and how much you've upgraded your weapon, this can do a pretty significant amount of damage. Watch out for that glide-lunge attack of his as he can still go around Smough with it. Other than that use the pillars allot and be extremely patient. Keep Ornstein behind Smough for the entire fight. 23067. His grab spear attack is extra mean and deadly. I can't remember where I saw this cheese, but pay attention to parrying a silver or black knight. You already said you've been to the second form of Smough a few times, so you know you can do it! Pyro the shit out of Smough and then stay very close to super Ornstein. Your goal here is, regardless of which person you want to kill first, to block or dodge all of Ornstein's attacks. You will want a greatshield though, regular shields aren't good enough if your main form of defense is blocking. Reviews:-1. Smough relished his title as executioner, so much so that he ground the bones of his victims into his feed. Also there's a phase two Ornstein cheese that kills him instantly via a glitch but I forgot what it was. I upgraded my pyromancy. Ornstien has bad turning speed as both of them do, in normal form. You should be either leap attacking in or rolling out and to the side. Just walk up to Smough and chop him to pieces while blocking when needed (keep an eye on Ornstein so he can't smack you from behind or the sides), and then repeat with Ornstein. Now that I've done it 20-30+ times its not so bad. Staying calm and keeping to a gameplan is key. Good Luck! Use the pillars to keep smough behind and out of the fight between you and ornstien. Not really proper cheese, but you can separate them: Smough is slow, so if you run to the other end of the arena, you'll get a few moments of 1v1 with Ornstein. Their attacks are choreographed and they’re shitty dancers. DSCM ID: 011000010a2125e1 SL: 52 Other Details: -Ornstein should go down first, I'd rather not have to fight Super Saiyan 420 Ornstein -STR/FTH knight build, using +6 and +7 elite knight because why not, +5 divine claymore, +2 grass crest shield EDIT: Royal Sentinels near the boss fog wall are "out to lunch." Best of luck. literally the only reason i beat knight artorius. Sounds about right lol! Seriously. The moment you're overcome by that is the moment you lose, but not a second before. 2 Artorias. Believed to be the captain of the Four Knights of Gwyn, he was granted a special soul and ring by the Lord of Sunlight.His golden armor was made to resemble a lion and was imbued with the power of lightning. Ornstein was one of Gwyn's Four Knights, alongside Gough, Artorias and Ciaran. 1) Be sure to focus on only ONE opponent. Not really proper cheese, but you can separate them: Smough is slow, so if you run to the other end of the arena, you'll get a few moments of 1v1 with Ornstein. I've literally tried everything. Now I’m just wondering through the Darkroot Garden after killing the Hydra. Ornstein was one of Lord Gwyn's most trusted knights, who was also loyal to Lord Gwyn's Firstborn. It was easier for me to watch for Smoughs breaks inbetween his attacks rather than Ornsteins. Smough is right next to the fog gate on the left and Ornstein is in the same spot where both bosses normally start if you enter the boss fight the regular way or "transversed" the white light (is transversed even a word?). Also reiterating patience in the fight, O&S is really not a brute force fight, take it slow. A community dedicated to Dark Souls I, game released for PC, PlayStation 3 and 4, Xbox 360/One, and Switch (Remastered). The second thing you need to consider is if you are fighting one where the hell is the other? Code Vein, for the most part, is a very casual experience compared to games like Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3 or Sekiro.The game is extremely fast-paced, and gives you enough health (and a … Pillars also super OP against Smough. Whenever Smough moves too far away from Ornstein, move sideways towards Smough until you can line up Smough and Ornstein. Tips. Shouldn't have an issue with that equipment. They aren't unlike any other fight in the game. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The Taurus Demon is without a doubt easier than bosses from Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. You can cheese Super Ornstein with a bow. After that you can easily beat Smough with patience and a bunch of arrows. carpish 9 years ago #3. I was stood behind pillars like people say but I was hit several times by smoughs sweeping hammer. The part that makes this boss fight tough is that you are trying to learn both bosses at the same time. Where can I summon some help? It just felt... wrong. I recommend doing it the following way: Attack one at a time, depending on your poise. A long reaching weapon helps too. Try something lighter as mobility is key unless you have an ally. I need some advice on Ornstein and Smough. Third time I decided to kill Ornstein first to check what would happen, and I did die to empowered Smough's huge explosion attack but overall it seemed easier. EDIT: Currently I am using Havel's Armor and +5 Dark Knight Sword. Thanks. Even if Smough is between you and Ornstein, do -not- attack Smough if Ornstein is directly behind Smough and has not very recently used one of his stabbing attacks - the stabbing attack will go right through Smough and hit you. I feel like all i do is spend 5 minutes pacing around looking for an opening nowadays. Usually, after a while of doing this, you can kill off Smough. But just keep watching them. The only reason I found them hard was because I wanted Ornstein's gear. EDIT 2: I did it!!!!!!!!!!!! I beat Ornstein and Smough! I finally beat Ornstein and Smough (with help of Solaire in the first half though) and now I’m not sure where to go now. This is also an attack window, but be careful or else: dash away if you even see him start to do this. Also, they are both vulnerable to poison, so arrows, or throwing knives aren't a bad idea. He's easy to hit, but the problem is his attack because 3x more ridiculous, and that's not including his insta-cheese attack that happens with very little warning. I gave up on this game like 8 months ago because Sen's Fortress gave me AIDS. STAY locked onto Ornstein for almost all of the fight. Is it low? What were you using before firesword? Summon Solaire and let him distract one of them, Ornstein is weak to fire so if you have pyromancy I suggest killing Ornstein first. Particularly useful if you want to kill Smough first. I would also recommend focusing on one of them only, and hoping solaire draws their attacks. It's a very popular summon spot, and having 2 or 3 people vs. them makes the fight pretty cheesy IMO. Learn what it they about to do before the actual attack happens. Well, you could always do an infinite souls glitch and level yourself to 802. He tried to move 2 times but i moved along aswell and he went back to firing at the pillar, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. When I pulled up the first time, I had nothing but a plank shield and a club, and I got my shit rocked. Do not block them, you will die. Alternatively, you could grab the gravelord sword. Stay close yet not so much to him. With a decent shield you can block everything except his spear-grab thing, which is simple to just sidestep or fatroll away from. Poise > speed in most cases. I've beaten these guys with a Cleric and a Sorcerer before, but now I'm struggling with my dexterity character against this duo. O & S is a really tough fight your first time. some green blossoms should help. Some tries are a fucking wash and you just have to try again. I did it! - Secondly, while fighting Ornstein and Smough, your best bet would be to use pyromancy spells/miracles. 7 years ago. You have to learn to recognize when it's gonna happen, and dodge like you've never dodged before. Just be careful to have stopped attacking when he's about to do anything so you've time to run out from his stomp. Usually, his shadow is quite visible, and you can usually extrapolate where he is based off of where you last saw him moving. Dragon Slayer Ornstein Information Ornstein is the captain of the Four Knights of Gwyn Lord of Cinder, serving alongside Artorias the Abysswalker, Lord's Blade Ciaran, and Hawkeye Gough. You watch what they do, learn the attacks, time the openings, and wait for your chance to strike. Ornstein and Smough are, at their core, overwhelming. Well that's all I got. User Lists: 6 #45 Edited By mike. I got to smoughs second phase after killing ornstein with 7 flasks. Yep. I don't recommend any specific armour, but a strong shield can be helpful against Ornstein. That still requires good situational awareness and a solid grasp of the mechanics. Ornstein does high ranged fast attacks but they can be easily blocked with a good shield with a high stability. There are lots of strategies to cheese the different bosses in Sekiro, but there are few tricks to beat Ornstein and Smough. Like all bosses in this game they’re only annoying until you know them. I would avoid relying on something like Chaos Fireball - it's buggy and will sometimes do no damage, and it takes quite some time to use, leaving you open to attack. Unlike Gwyn, he’s nowhere near as easy to cheese. When Smough reaches you, run to the other end again, and if Ornstein doesn't follow you quickly enough, wait for Smough to reach you, rinse and repeat until Ornstein falls. It is said that his lugged spear could slice a boulder in two. For everything else, side roll. Ornstein is weak against fire, but resists lightning. Hope this helps! This iS my first run, I'm a dex-focused build, SL62, and using a Lightning Balder Side Sword … All jokes aside I would recommend solaire as summon, and finger for more summons. Apr 27, 2017 @ 7:49am This only really matters for Gravelord Sword or Dark Silver Tracer users, though. Ornstein is weak to fire so use a fire weapon if you have it or a charcoal pine resin. People tell me to use the pillars, EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN ATTACK THROUGH THEM!!!. You’ll have to whittle him down. I'm not sure of this, but I believe that if you hug him while he does the variation of this attack where he doesn't jump in the air first, it will swing over you. His attacks are more sudden, less predictable, and much faster. I personally find super Ornstein easier, but a lot prefer to do super Smough. It does you no good to learn everything about Smough just to have Orenstein smack you when you thought you were good to go in for the attack! You should be able to separate them quickly. You can get Solaire to tank one, while you finish off the other. Now back to Anor Londo. You can simply cheese them, and keep shooting while moving away from them. After activating the boss once, it’s possible to cheese Sif and attack from the rocks to the left of the boss fog. Whenever Smough moves too far away from Ornstein, move sideways towards Smough until you can line up Smough and Ornstein.
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